Jam-Jul Lison
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Post by Jam-Jul Lison on Sept 15, 2014 12:58:19 GMT -6
Alright here is what I have come up with so far. Everyone feel free to give your opinions on this or any new ideas you may have. I just drew this up as to give us somewhere to start on our discussion.
The United Corporations
Rules and Guidelines
1. All Corporations within the The United Corporations will refrain from attacking anything belonging to another member of The United Corporations.
2. All members of The United Corporations will try to avoid stacking their COM missions on top of another member of The United Corporations COM mission.
3. All members of The United Corporations will not intervene in the internal matters of other Corporations.
4. Members of The United Corporations are not required to assist other members of the The United Corporations.
5. Leaders of Corporations belonging to the The United Corporations are required to share the location of Military Bases and fueling stations with one another.
Joining Requirements
1. The Corporation must have at least 3 active members.
2. The Corporation must be in the top 10 corps list. Exceptions will be made if a Corporation already belongin to The United Corporations vouches for them.
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Post by lisunken on Sept 15, 2014 14:13:52 GMT -6
Here are my comments on the new charter.
1. Agreed 2. That need to be fix by sir emi. Either by shown whom is droping com on other or by set up noticed an active com is on site. 3. Agreed, Only is ask as a neutral party to sttle a dispute. 4. Agreed 5. Disagreed on military installation location has no use to other corp. Fueling stations yes. In addition The United Corporations shall provide fueling Stations thru out the newly finded outer space systems.
NHC Lisunken
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Post by Rostinius Maximus on Sept 15, 2014 14:15:51 GMT -6
Well you already know how my superior feels about this...
The syndicate would like to propose an initial, probationary organization less structured than this even.
My proposal is nothing more than a war room. A promise between each of the corps at war with IMG (sorry NHC :/) to share information about enemy movement recent sightings. This forum already serves such a purpose. By simply having this space to talk freely away from IMG leaders we can coordinate joint war efforts much more smoothly than on the AG forums or in-game.
The S. S. Syndicate's proposal would in no-way limit or restrict players from doing what they are already doing. If situations arise where commanders from the war room must engage other commanders from the same body in combat then that would not jeopardize the integrity of the group.
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Post by sargas on Sept 15, 2014 14:19:25 GMT -6
The United Corporations Rules and Guidelines 1. All No Corporation s within the The United Corporations will refrain from attack ing anything belonging to another member of The United Corporations. 2. All No member s of The United Corporations will try to avoid stack ing their COM missions on top of another member of The United Corporations COM mission. 3. All No member s of The United Corporations will not intervene in the internal matters of other Corporations. 4. Members of The United Corporations are not required to assist other members of the The United Corporations. 5. Leaders of Corporations belonging to the The United Corporations are required to share the location of Military Bases and fueling stations with one another. (No on location of Military Bases, yes on fueling stations)Joining Requirements 1. The Corporation must have at least 3 active members. 2. The Corporation must be in the top 10 corps list. Exceptions will be made if a Corporation already belongin to The United Corporations vouches for them.
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Jam-Jul Lison
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Emperor of The Galactic Empire
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Post by Jam-Jul Lison on Sept 15, 2014 14:22:21 GMT -6
Well you already know how my superior feels about this... The syndicate would like to propose an initial, probationary organization less structured than this even. My proposal is nothing more than a war room. A promise between each of the corps at war with IMG (sorry NHC :/) to share information about enemy movement recent sightings. This forum already serves such a purpose. By simply having this space to talk freely away from IMG leaders we can coordinate joint war efforts much more smoothly than on the AG forums or in-game. The S. S. Syndicate's proposal would in no-way limit or restrict players from doing what they are already doing. If situations arise where commanders from the war room must engage other commanders from the same body in combat then that would not jeopardize the integrity of the group. That proposal though is something I can't accept. It would be for the sole purpose of forming an alliance to crush someone's enemies. That isn't what this is about. Chances are we will all be his enemies and yes form plans to crush him if he declares war on all our people. But I don't want to form an alliance based off killing off each others enemies.
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Post by Rostinius Maximus on Sept 15, 2014 14:26:58 GMT -6
Has Joolz been invited to this?
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Jam-Jul Lison
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Post by Jam-Jul Lison on Sept 15, 2014 14:27:16 GMT -6
The sharing of locations was just an idea. It isn't one I am set on. I do agree with making it for fueling only. The reason for military was simply so we didn't end up trying to set up in the same locations. That and that information would have been kept between corp leadership only. It would only be spread on a need to know basis. But I got no problem removing that. Also I noticed Sargas you basically just reworded most of what I said. lol. It is nice to see we are agreeing on stuff though.
lisunken On the issue of the 2nd thing. Yes SirEmi needs to fix it but until he does, we should take matters into our own hands and not lay COMs on our allies.
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Jam-Jul Lison
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Post by Jam-Jul Lison on Sept 15, 2014 14:27:41 GMT -6
Yes. Joolz is already a member. lol. He probably doesn't know you posted.
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Post by JoolzVern on Sept 15, 2014 14:37:40 GMT -6
Well my position is that such rules/guidelines should be more a promise than a rule and unite on these terms/pledges. If we violate them or the rest of us see them as a menace of some kind, we may be considered untrustworthy and kicked out but we should be inclusive rather than exclusive which is why I think a pledge better than a rule.
In that spirit I say,
1. ITO would plege not to attack anything belonging to another member of the UC, but for us this extends to unaffiliated players 2. ITO pledges to advise all players not to stack coms on others (unless maybe it's Dadds or some other hostile entity lol) and to condemn/reprimand those that disregard this directive. 3. ITO will not meddle meddle in the affairs other corps in this united front, including but not limited to sabotage, subterfuge, etc. 4. ITO will assist other allied corporations when convenient and or needed and ask others show the same courtesy, but we do not demand it as a rule. 5. ITO will share locations of fueling stations if we have any, as well as any other data. Military data of all kinds will depend on a need-to-know basis and who's asking and how nicely.
Joining Requirements: Agreed, with the exception that while not ITO would not require that everyone must pledge to adhere to all these 'guidelines'/code of conduct, we must obviously have substantial common points of agreement to be admitted.
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Jam-Jul Lison
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Post by Jam-Jul Lison on Sept 15, 2014 14:42:36 GMT -6
The problem with pledging is I don't necessarily trust someone when they say they pledge something. So me a pledge is worthless.
BTW on the joining requirements. The top 10 thing could always be changed later on. Just for now there aren't a lot of corps and a crappy corp could easily make their way into the top 10.
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Post by JoolzVern on Sept 15, 2014 14:47:26 GMT -6
And Rostin, I do agree with Jam in that sentiment, as it's not necessarily at this point aimed at that, however Dadds will likely get more hostile the closer we get.
So as corps or an alliance I could forsee us working together in that regard with SSS but this organization is aimed at something else so you would not be in it per se. As an Ambassador you and SSS can work with United Corporations operations as a joint-venture and not so much as part of the organization(make the pledge lol) between us and SSS to deal with trouble makers.
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Post by JoolzVern on Sept 15, 2014 14:50:49 GMT -6
Yes well, I don't think it matters much if you trust someone's pledge. If they break it we can consider booting them. If they keep it then we've no reason to distrust them and they build credibility as a legitimate, reasonable corporation that is trusted and new players can be confident in. More than that and you ask people to basically promise that mistakes won't happen or players won't disregard orders etc. This allows some flexibility while still having some structure.
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Jam-Jul Lison
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Post by Jam-Jul Lison on Sept 15, 2014 15:02:22 GMT -6
Might as well make it a rule then though. They break a rule, same results. With Pledges people could say "Well it was just a pledge. Not a rule. I don't want that excuse being used.
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Post by JoolzVern on Sept 15, 2014 15:06:23 GMT -6
We can't practically enforce a rule though other than booting or retaliating, and if we decide it was a honest mistake the rule looks lax anyway. Flexible or unenforcable rules aren't rules so much as paper dragons and would not keep anyone loyal to the alliance or held to high standards in my opinion. But their image might.
If anyone breaks a pledge because they aren't bound to it, then they've no honor and we boot them as that isn't an excuse to break a promise.
"Oh it was just my word of honor and that means jack" will not get my vote for your remaining in the United Corporations.
Taking that position I think that being booted/rejected from this alliance would speak to the quality of other corps and the alliance which would benefit those of us that are true to our word and each other.
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Jam-Jul Lison
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Post by Jam-Jul Lison on Sept 15, 2014 15:19:56 GMT -6
By agreeing to the rules though and intentionally breaking them, you are a good as breaking your word. To me a pledge is flimsy since people break them all the time. Hell they are often said without people even knowing what a pledge is or what exactly it means. An good example of that is the pledge of allegiance kids say in school every day here in the US. I always hated it too. We know people know what a rule is. Can't count on everyone understanding a pledge. Not to mention us having a pledge makes us also seem lax and weak. Rules as least says we have some sort of order established. I get they aren't always easy to enforce. But neither is a pledge. We could consider these guidelines.
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