The New Charter discussion thread

With those wording any present and future items is cover in the charts


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"About to" pick up a com or hit somebody doesn't make it an ongoing operation.

By operations I think it's understood that you must be actively engaged in some way. But I suppose if you like, we can exclude PVP operations from that.

Are we still discussing this or what? We need to get this all hammered out. The sooner the better.

Not really. You can see though why I don't want this like the GC though. It's same stuff I had to go through with it. I shouldn't have to message people to tell them there is a post either.

How is this?

The reason we need to be specific is because just saying operations is too broad of a term. As new things are added in of course the definition of what the group recognizes as an operation can grow. I doubt anyone would argue with making changes to add things in. Something to remember is with some things we can't be sure we are even interfering. Say someone is setting up a base somewhere. Well since no one is required to report this, if say someone else gets there right before they could start setting up a base and that would be interfering in the operations of another member according to your definition. this is actually why I originally wanted us to report locations of bases to one another. To avoid stuff like that. In order for things to run smoothly we need to actually define what is what. Future things we add in as needed. We can't even be sure when new things that will need to be included in this will even be added in to the game.

I want to set an actual definition so others can't exploit the broad definition your trying to give it. Say you marked a planet to have stuff built on by setting up a station first with the name of what your doing. But since someone hasn't set up on the planet yet they get into an argument over what happened because someone else came along and set up there. One would argue an operation was under way. Another would argue that it wasn't. Operation could be used for practically any sort of action the corp is doing. Such as cleaning out a system of inactive to many other things. I want this to have as little wiggle room as possible. When setting up rules, regulations and even pledges it is better to be as detailed as you can so there are no loop holes and no confusion. Also there is another matter to consider that I just thought of. What of the mining missions? What if you pick up one a mining mission and it is for a planet that another member of our group is mining on. By setting up on that particular planet to get what the mission had it for they could be said by someone to be interfering with their operation. By contrast the person doing the mining mission could argue the other person is interfering with their operation. We have no idea what new missions will even be in the future or how one might effect the others. So a more precise definition is needed. This isn't my first time working on stuff like this. Unlike when I helped to make the GC, I am not trying to lock anyone into anything. I am just wanting to make sure things are detailed to avoid confusion and exploitation. There is always someone who will try to find a loophole and get around stuff. I have seen it in rules on online games, rules on post based roleplaying sites and treaties and alliance rules in online games. I am also very good at finding loopholes as well. In the past I have exploited them on other things. Such as on an post based RP i was management on. It concerned how custom weapons was done. I had pointed out to the owner how it could be exploited so people could be overpowered. He didn't believe me. So I exploited it and showed him just how bad of an exploit it really was. Once he saw how it was getting out of hand he changed things to fix it. Sometimes people only see or believe something can be exploited when they see it with their own eyes. I can see how it can be done just by looking over things. Yes someone may never take advantage of it. But the day someone does is usually when something goes wrong. Especially in matters such as this. Also it helps to save on time and bickering later on down the road. So lets explore every single kind of operation in the game that needs to be included in this. Every time we get a new update with something that is an operation we can come back here and quickly vote on it being added to the definition. I certainly won't object to it. Nova's themselves is going to be a big issue we need to discuss as well. Cause if resource depletion is the trigger for novas, then setting up a mining operation in any system that someone else has either mines, stations or a base set up in could be at risk of being destroyed from a noya. In which case would also interfere in an operation. That said though the person wanting to mine there might be mad and feel like whoever is already in the system is trying to hold them back and is interfering in their mining operation. We don't know all the consequences of new things that will be added. Which is why I think after our first set of definitions we should discuss new things when they come in and decide if they count for this. I am sure some will be obvious. But will all of them be? The mining missions are a good example of something that some might be unsure on as I pointed out earlier in this post.