Dadds and IMG

Jake is wanting to leave IMG behind and live peacefully... I want every one of you to promise that you will leave him alone if he chooses to do so.
You all know he is a perfectly nice guy and is completely reasonable, so you should have no reason to attack him if he leaves.

this topic is now under discussion in the Imperial Council.

but, remember, the EoS is peaceful, and will always be peaceful to those who show peace to us.

I happen to know for a fact that your statement is misinformed. Jake has hit ITO members repeatedly during this time. Jake has been a pest (on Dadds behalf) for this entire time. Siding with Dadds to begin with is something I consider to be neither nice, nor reasonable.

So the fact of the matter is that some of my guys like Cornedo do indeed have reason to attack him and for attacking my guys(including former members), I have one as well. So I'm inclined to not give him a free pass...ever. That said, if he had asked me the right way I may not feel that way. But regardless, because of that I'm going to let my guys choose if we give him amnesty. If they say screw him in the neck then I'm going with that.


However there's something else here. The fact he changed his name to Nero suggests he'd like to join SPQNR to burn "new Rome" just as Nero burned Rome (and possibly to subvert the UC). If this happens then, by way of the UC agreements ITO must not interfere in SPQNR operations, including Jake/Nero's.

See, the issue there is that because of all that, there's a trust issue with Jake along with the fact he's trying to weasel out of reaping what he sowed. While you might be able to take him in and give him a fresh start(commendable as it is) the fact is that it would erode my trust in SPQNR. Even if that never results in any sort of actual dispute, I would be less accepting and more wary of anything regarding SPQNR.

"Leader" meaning the totalitarian paranoid psycho known as Dadds. I'm against anybody that thought it was ok to be loyal to that for one second and/or not care what the war was about, but just go along.

You may as well tell me to accept Joseph Mengele's assistant because he was just being loyal to his superior when he helped experiment on people or pick out the ones to gas or something saying he tried to be civil about it.

To that I say...

F*** you and the horse you rode in on.

Your assuming he abandons his idea of his own corp which he appears to have formed. It is called RedHand. Almost like saying he was caught red handed. Fact is though if he joins you, we won't be able to touch him. I don't like it. But the UC charter will be protecting him. Please note though that I will be keeping a much closer eye on both him and your corp. It's nothing personal but I don't trust him. He has given me no reason to trust him and plenty of reasons not to trust him. I have heard stories from Captains who made claims that Jake has hit them in the past. This being from people in corps that IMG are not at war with and have never been at war with. Now while I have hit people in the past, as have many of us in the game. those actions plus how he has supported Dadds in his time of lunacy is more then enough reason for me to not trust him. Unfortunately any corp he joins also falls under suspicion as well. It is like taking in Hitler's number 1 supporter. Dadds like hitler is convinced what he believes to be true. Jake choose to believe everything Dadds told him and was all for it. Actions have consequences. If it wasn't for the UC having been signed, you and me would have a serious problem right now. To me it is almost as bad as taking in Dadds. I won't break the charter though. I am a man of my word. But I am going to be watching closely. I would highly advise you keep a close eye on him as well.

Let's put it like this. Imagine if I turned on the UC all of a sudden over someone's matter of opinion. Say first I tried to bully them into taking it down or editing it like Dadds did. Then say when they didn't I turned. Let's say it was you. Then lets say Sargas speaks up for you explaining how you could see things might look that way from your point of view. So let's say I declare war on him as well. Any sane person would see I am flying off the handle. So obviously those who don't agree with me, which should be pretty much everyone would leave my corp and abandon me. As loyal as my guys are, I know they wouldn't stand for that. Anyone who decided to stay though would be seen by those I betrayed as in league with me and possibly even see things as I see them. So they would be just as guilty as I am. If you were sitting where we were and went through what we did, you would likely not trust anyone that sided with the one who betrayed you. You would also likely still harbor some feelings of aggression towards them. Fact of the matter is I considered Dadds a friend. I considered everyone in IMG an ally. I even stuck by them in their decisions to go after Raph despite be not really having any personal issues with Dadds. I did it cause he was my friend and it caused a lot of problems in my corp when we were PMI. After Dadds betrayed us I went to Jake expecting him to be reasonable and to listen to the facts of went on. I expected him to go on the game forum and at least read what was going on. Which he didn't seem to want to do. If he ever did go and do that, then he obviously agreed with Dadds making him as deluded as Dadds himself. If he didn't go and do that and just decided to believe whatever Dadds told him, then he still is to blame for his actions. Most people would want all the facts in a situation like that. No matter how you slice it, i can not trust the guy and feel just as betrayed by him as i did dadds. I think Joolz feels the same. He is just a lot less tactful then I am and more willing to tell people off out of frustration over all this.

Dadds and Hitler have another thing in common. Both thought they were in the right. Hitler believed what he was doing was for the good of humanity. He didn't see what he was doing was wrong. Just as Dadds didn't seem to see himself as having done anything wrong.

As for Jake. Get real. He believed what dadds told him hands down and most of the actions taken in the war against us and ITO has been by Jake. With the level of accusations against his leader, he should have at least went on the game's forums for himself and saw what was going on but he didn't He listened to what Dadds told him about things and supported the war effort.

In all honesty yes I think Sauron would leave me if I snapped and did what Dadds did. As loyal as he and my other guys are, most of them have a good sense of ethics. At the very least they would urge me not to act this way and might even go public with their opinions. Something Jake didn't do. If he had spoken out against Dadds, I imagine with how Dadds was acting at that time he would have thrown Jake out and declared war on him as well. Fact is good smart people don't just blindly accept orders. They examine the facts. Especially over something like this. When I recruit people I don't just looked for skilled people. I don't look for suck ups either or people blindly loyal. I look for people who are smart enough to know how to make decisions for themselves and in a serious situation will look at all the facts.

As for Raph. No one would be shocked if did something like this. Though the only ones he could really turn on that is allies would be your corp and EOS. I am pretty sure if he turned on you, you would feel betrayed as well because you consider him a friend. Anyone who supported his decision you would feel betrayed by as well. As for those that would stick by him. In his case some might stick by him out of fear of being attacked themselves. I suppose I could understand that one considering it is Raph. But if they stuck by him because they either refused to look at the all the facts or out of loyalty, they would be just as guilty as him. They would show just what kind of people they are too by sticking by someone who would betray his friends and allies.

No matter how you slice it, nothing you say is going to convince me to give jake another chance. By taking him in your just making me doubt your own fortitude and integrity. Yes I may be a former pirates. Yes our corp was originally made up of miners, pirates and navy, but one thing we have always been is honest. We have stuck by our word. To me honestly is a very important thing. When someone violates that trust I take it very personally. That is why I reacted like I did with the whole Mata incident. Dadds betrayed me and broke my trust. Jake by siding with Dadds despite his lunacy, broke my trust. The whole reason I messaged him is because he was the one member of theirs I knew was active and I didn't want to see him ending up in our crossfires. I didn't want any harm coming to him. But he chose to side against us. He chose to side against ITO and later EoS. He attempted to carry out many attacks himself. More so then Dadds really. He continued to remain active and carry on the war effort even when Dadds started going inactive and was barely on. The only reason now he is changing his mind is because Raph put the fear of god in him. Fear is his only reason for leaving IMG. Fear is his reason to try to make peace with us. It's not like he had a change of heart. It's not like he thinks any different about Dadds now. He still thinks highly of dadds and likely still thinks dadds was in the right. As far as I am concerned the fact they are afraid isn't a good enough reason to let them off the hook. Should we let murderers off death row just because they fear dieing? Yes I know he is no murderer, but the point stands. Just because someone is afraid does not mean they shouldn't suffer the consequences of their actions. Quite frankly I can't believe he would even think we would let him off that easily. Yes he lost a lot. But that was to Raph. That was a long time fued between Dadds and Raph he was caught up in. That is a different issue then our issue with Dadds, IMG and Jake. Fact is we haven't made him pay for his crimes yet. They say one of the worst sins someone can commit is betrayal. I for one can not let him off that easily. If he is to join your corp, I want a formal apology written by him directed towards TGE, ITO and even EOS. Considering Dadds eventually turned on them as well I feel they deserve an apology as well.